Andro revolution review
TT energy
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Have just tried many rubbers recently, since I ran out of tenergy and other reasons. Recently I pulled of the 2mm Killerspin blast because I don't like anything under maximum thickness. Because I was going for the harder sponges I stuck on a brand new Gambler outlaw and then pulled it off after about an hour of play. Hate it, too hard, felt good as a forehand rubber but not a backhand rubber. Then I stuck an old tenergy 05 on backhand and played out the night.
Dam I have lost my touch with such a spinny dwelly rubber on backhand. It felt too solid too responsive on backhand. My results and my playing standard stayed the same as I felt I have been improving the last few weeks. Not sure why I am improving but just no things are falling into place again.
I have played serious competition fixture nights now with Blast and tenergy 05 and feel I have very similar results but the tenergy 05 is feeling too dwelly and the blast is feeling to thin in 2mm.
So Tuesday night just a muck around night for me, I stuck a brand new Andro revolution on.
mmm, bit early to say but obviously it is a very very 1st generation tensor, medium hardness even though it says 40 degrees. But something about its lack of spin and bounciness, is too my taste these days. I like it because it isn't spinny or bouncy. I found service return a breeze, punching a breeze etc. my opponents weren't bothered unless I really powered up but once I got used to it, it really played openings well.
Right now I am happy with Andro Revolution in max black because it is also a cheap rubber, it doesn't have dead feel like the Japanese rubbers which require speed glue yet it isn't too lively either.
If I have to compare it to something that is not from the german esn tensor rubbers I would say something like a tensor of mark V or solcion, but really remember I mean a TENSOR TENSOR version. I say this because the first thing you notice how much it is a classic tensor without that much tension. I could relate it to butterfly speed fx but speed fx felt so crazy bouncy compared to this.
So now I have played with this rubber in fixtures as well. So about 15 hours or more.
I am finding on a confident big counter loop away from the table it has enough power and kick, but counter looping near the table it doesn't have enough spin to make it dip down right at the end. It has made me lose confidence near the table. The rubber also feels deader now than when I first put it on. The results of the fixtures is that I won 2 matches out of 3, but these 2 matches I almost lost in the fifth. Compare this to playing those 2 players in the first round and not going to the fifth - using tenergy 64.
So not sure what to say but my backhand loops were to easy to block as if they were nothing. With tenergy 64 the player if blocked the ball would come back lobbed high for a following smash. It looks like tenergy 64 will be coming back or atleast something with that much spin and speed.
Anyway more to come soon.
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I was thinking about getting some Chinese rubbers from zeropong
Submitted by pnachtwey on 18 August 2010 - 2:13pm.I don't think I would play with them for very long but I have never played with a tacky rubber. I am interested in how they serve and how the tacky really affect friction. 14 USD a sheet or 55 USD for a combo paddle with some carbon layers. I was interested in the Black Power, Red Diamond, Gambler Aces Pro and Gambler Shadow effect spin. Any these are on my radar but I don't think I will do anything yet. I need to get some glue and an exacto knife. I have a cutting board. So far the Paddle Palace has glued the rubbers for me. I have glued a rubber since college.
I think I use a rubber glue or Elmer's back in college. I didn't even think about removing the rubber.
I need to grow up....again.
I am assuming that I can remove and re-apply a rubber many times.
What glue do you use?
I just don't the time to try all the rubbers like you seem to have. I feel my time is better spent simply learning how to play with what I have got.
BTW, Zeropong says Outlaw is a medium rubber and you say it is hard. ?
outlaw hardness
Submitted by TT energy on 19 August 2010 - 6:51am.gambler outlaw is not a rock like chinese rubbers can be, but it is further from soft than it is from hard. It is ok on my fh I know I could learn to use it there, but tenergy 05 is staying on my fh since i feel it is perfect for me there. On the backhand outlaw is too hard even though I want a harder rubber there
What about Gambler Shadow Spin Effect?
Submitted by pnachtwey on 19 August 2010 - 1:29pm.The marketing description says it is soft and made for the post speed glue era. This is only $14 US.
Spin Art is relatively dense if you go by Butterfly's ratings. Spin art is awfully expensive though, $65 US ouch!!!! Tackfire C is not as hard as Spin Art or as expensive as Spin Art. I don't see anyone mention Tackifire on the forums. I haven't seen it used at the club.
outlaw only
Submitted by TT energy on 19 August 2010 - 4:17pm.haven't tried any other gambler and to be honest outlaw was super hyped up when it came out and bought for that reason. I won't be trying every product from every company. The outlaw gave me an idea of what they are like. Spin Art is fh without a doubt, tackfire series are all made for speed glue.
I am only interested in bh rubbers and I like the old generation rubbers that are not too soft sponged. soft sponge means no forward kick in loops too hard means can't loop. so medium hard tensor should be best for me and they have to be cheap because they dont last long.
new rubber
Submitted by barkj on 19 August 2010 - 9:46pm.what about that big slam rubber?...i love that rubber but i only have red and am going to get a black for my backhand when next i need a rubber and i think i could even put that on my gergley21 and get away with it
maybe...might have to buy another TBS as i pinched my sons and he is playing amazing with a crap bat at the moment
"I am only interested in bh rubbers and I like..."
Submitted by pnachtwey on 4 September 2010 - 1:02pm."the old generation rubbers that are not too soft sponged"
That is where I am heading for now. Mark V is old generation and has a relatively firm sponge.
That may be a step backwards for you.
tackfire C
Submitted by barkj on 4 September 2010 - 10:18pm.ive used it ages ago,,slow an spinny, but not in tenergy' class although i didnt speed glue it.
speed glue is illegal you know people.....i did the tuning thing and i think my rubber MAY be faster, but its not as spinny and is easier to return loops now than it used to be
im quite disappointed and think i need a new rubber
Andro tensor revolution review
Submitted by TT energy on 24 November 2010 - 10:01pm.I pulled off my tenergy 05 black for the last 2 nights and stuck on the still pretty good condition Andro revolution to see how it would play on my new defensive blade.
Balls near net height or higher for third ball kill backhand or forehand was better than any tenergy since I have been developing more of killer drive technique.
serves suck unless I contrast and twiddle with the 05 fx on the other side.
Anything below net height or in a counter looping rally I am behind the 8 ball.
Lower level players I rip them off the table and would use revolution on my fh because my backhand strong point suffers drastically without a tenergy.
Was fun again, but must be removed before my next hit. As I received my new tenergy 05 fx I will stick it on although I was thinking of waiting till I went to HOng KOng to see if I can pick up a sheet of tenergy 25 fx.
I am starting to think that 25 fx will suit my new forehand which has become more of a killer loop drive.
Tenergy 25 was the first rubber and probably last that almost forced me to redevelop my drive. Now that I have been redeveloping this killer shot again with almost every or any rubber since I moved to my def blade, I think the tenergy 25 fx (because of the lower weight demand) will be even better than 05 fx. The only thing is a trade off for the amazing amount of spin and curve I get on my serves with this blade and tenergy 05 fx. Seriously my serves are the best they have ever been.